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| 351010. Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:09 pm |
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| suze wrote: | | We've discussed this one a couple times before - see my post 201434, also my post 116395 and Twopints' reply thereto. |
Ah, sorry...had no idea :) Let's ignore this topic now! LOL
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| suze
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| 351045. Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:24 pm |
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Not at all Menecairiel, not at all - those two posts I mention only cover the misconception as to why it was that Queen Victoria never banned lesbian activity.
The main part of the current topic is, as far as I'm aware, not one we have done before.
cnb, whenever that happens to me, I console myself with the thought that at least my research was probably pretty accurate, if someone else said much the same! |
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| Sadurian Mike
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| 351109. Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:49 pm |
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| Menecairiel wrote: | | Ah, sorry...had no idea :) Let's ignore this topic now! LOL |
Given that your thread has spawn three pages, I would put it down as a success.
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| Sebastian flyte
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| 351130. Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:03 am |
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| I thought that the sentence for rape was 5 years? |
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| suze
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| 351176. Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:31 am |
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Seb, you are essentially right there - the minimum sentence for rape in England is five years imprisonment, although longer sentences up to and including life are available.
Scottish law on rape is a bit odd - for instance forcible sexual contact par anum is not rape in Scotland, but the lesser crime of indecent assault. But for vaginal rape, life imprisonment is again a possible sentence.
Canadian law follows English law on this particular crime. In the USA, there is no minimum sentence, while the maximum sentence for a first conviction is usually 15 years. In Florida, Louisiana, and Oklahoma, rape can carry the death penalty - although in practice it is never passed on rapists. |
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| samivel
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| 351179. Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:51 am |
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| So is it impossible to be convicted of raping a man in Scotland? |
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| 351181. Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:08 am |
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That is correct.
The authorities in Scotland say that they have an intention to reform the rape laws there, but they have been saying that for some years. |
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| 351182. Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:13 am |
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| samivel wrote: | | So is it impossible to be convicted of raping a man in Scotland? |
I just wanted to chime in to say that is really really sad. As a sexual assault victim's advocate, I can tell you people always forget the male victims. And when entire laws are against them, it makes it harder for the general public to take it seriously. :-(
Sorry...end rant! Carry on! Very interesting topic of conversation!
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| cnb
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| 351221. Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:09 am |
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| Seb wrote: | | I thought that the sentence for rape was 5 years? |
Sorry, I wasn't very clear there. I was referring to the punishments specified in the 1881 act. There were numberous amendments, and then most of the sex-related part was replaced by the Sexual Offences Act 2003.
I was really pointing out that they considered indecent assault on a man to be 'five times worse' than a similar assault on a woman. |
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| 351780. Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:08 pm |
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| suze wrote: | Seb, you are essentially right there - the minimum sentence for rape in England is five years imprisonment, although longer sentences up to and including life are available.
Scottish law on rape is a bit odd - for instance forcible sexual contact par anum is not rape in Scotland, but the lesser crime of indecent assault. But for vaginal rape, life imprisonment is again a possible sentence.
Canadian law follows English law on this particular crime. In the USA, there is no minimum sentence, while the maximum sentence for a first conviction is usually 15 years. In Florida, Louisiana, and Oklahoma, rape can carry the death penalty - although in practice it is never passed on rapists. |
There is no "minimum sentence" for rape - although the sentencing guidelines suggest five years as a starting point, irrespective of whether the victim is male or female. The starting can go up or down, depending on the presence of aggravating or mitigating features - see the report of the case of R v Millberry
http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/2891.html&query=millberry&method=boolean
The starting point for sentence after a contested trial should be eight years if any of the following aggravating features are found:
(a) the rape is committed by two or more offenders acting together;
(b) the offender is in a position of responsibility towards the victim (e.g., in the relationship of medical practitioner and patient or teacher and pupil), or the offender is a person in whom the victim has placed his or her trust (e.g., a clergyman, an emergency services patrolman, a taxi driver, or a police officer);
(c) the offender abducts the victim and holds him or her captive;
(d) rape of a child, or a victim who is especially vulnerable because of physical frailty, mental impairment or disorder, or learning disability;
(e) racially aggravated rape, and other cases where the victim has been targeted because of his or her membership of a vulnerable minority (e.g., homophobic rape);
(f) repeated rape in the course of one attack (including cases where the same victim has been both vaginally and anally raped);
(g) rape by a man who is knowingly suffering from a life-threatening sexually transmissible disease, whether or not he has told the victim of his condition and whether or not the disease was actually transmitted. |
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| Sadurian Mike
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| 351786. Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:13 pm |
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| A life sentence is the maximum sentence for a surprising number of offences including rape, aggravated burglary (which may include rape after all) and GBH. A lot of people forget this when downplaying the power of the courts. |
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| Tigerwolf
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| 353094. Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:23 pm |
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that while kinks are most likely mental, I have heard that there is mounting evidence that homosexuality is a physical thing, i.e., the part of the brain that controls sexual desire is female or feminised (in a male).
I would say that sexuality itself isn't a sliding scale so much as a series of ways in which the male brain can remain feminised during development (or become masculine in the case of certain females). |
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| dr.bob
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| 353389. Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:42 am |
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| What's the difference between a "sliding scale" and a "series of ways"? |
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| Jenny
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| 354066. Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:49 pm |
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| dr.bob wrote: | | What's the difference between a "sliding scale" and a "series of ways"? |
A sliding scale, to me, implies a line along which things are arranged in some kind of sequence and one could only be at one point of the scale or another like this:
---l---l---l---l---l---l---l---
A series of ways, however, seems more random than that - things could jump forwards, backwards, up or down like this:
*___*___________*________*____*_*
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| greentree
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| 354210. Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:03 pm |
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Like the diagrams jenny!
I think the 'series of ways' can affect how masculine or feminine one's brain is (before birth maybe??), resulting in one then being somewhere along the 'sliding scale' of sexuality (see nice illustrations above). |
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